tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post732331463593079936..comments2024-03-27T18:19:45.453-06:00Comments on A Little Peace in Paradise: Strengthening Church Members CommitteeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-4581619163883412392013-09-16T09:48:30.269-06:002013-09-16T09:48:30.269-06:00A GREAT piece, Jennifer, as always. I had not read...A GREAT piece, Jennifer, as always. I had not read this before, so I'm glad I came across it.Alan Rock Watermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04971243364867111868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-91810799725499832122012-10-13T22:07:18.308-06:002012-10-13T22:07:18.308-06:00Great post. Thank you.Great post. Thank you.Me from Calihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092831822080476254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-44596948782413407902012-06-04T12:46:05.530-06:002012-06-04T12:46:05.530-06:00I can't speak for Denver.
As for me, I don&#...I can't speak for Denver. <br /><br />As for me, I don't think the Lord gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers to intimidate, force, and coerce. It isn't right to say, "You believe what I tell you to believe, or I'm going to discipline you."<br /><br />It seems like it would be adversary's plan to force us to choose the right. On the other hand, God uses persuasion, long-suffering, gentleness and meekness, and love unfeigned; kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile— Reproving betimes with sharpness, when moved upon by the Holy Ghost; and then showing forth afterwards an increase of love toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest he esteem thee to be his enemy;<br /><br />I'm willing to be taught. If I error in doctrine, teach me with love; but don't spy on me, report me, discipline me, cast me out, and label me.<br /><br />I like God's way. He lovingly helps me repent of my false beliefs. My heart feels safe with Him.John and Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899746045646203432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-41628975067236492962012-06-04T11:38:26.060-06:002012-06-04T11:38:26.060-06:00When I went on my mission we used Ephesians 4:11-1...When I went on my mission we used Ephesians 4:11-14 as one of our scriptures for the investigators. It teaches that Christ set up the church structure to help members avoid being swayed by every wind of doctrine. So, at least according to Paul, there is a place for correcting doctrine. And per the Book of Mormon, I can't imagine the presiding high priest allowing Sherem, Nehor or Korihor to stay a member of their church and continue preaching as they did.<br /><br />However, I agree with Joseph in his last quote so I am a bit at a loss.<br /><br />Perhaps what you and Denver object to is the manner in which the "correction" was administered. I was counseled to not speak of certain things in Church even though they are in our history and in our Church. And the "stick" was getting a temple recommend to attend my youngest daughter's wedding.<br /><br />How sad that Christ's actions are not better exemplified in the church that bears His name.<br /><br />SteveStevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13745901786962474174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-25193740805902666502012-06-02T14:16:59.167-06:002012-06-02T14:16:59.167-06:00From Stop it.'s clip, Elder Holland says:
The ...From Stop it.'s clip, Elder Holland says:<br />The committee is principally there to protect the church against polygamy. ... I'm not on that committee, so I can't speak.<br /><br />The man who sent the reporter to Elder Holland apparently sent him to the wrong person.<br /><br />(By the way, I really like Elder Holland. I have found his sermons very strengthening and inspiring.)LJnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08336442943292813905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-88193406410536249602012-05-07T15:45:50.984-06:002012-05-07T15:45:50.984-06:00Here is a little clip of Elder Holland http://www....Here is a little clip of Elder Holland <a href="http://www.tubechop.com/watch/357579" rel="nofollow">http://www.tubechop.com/watch/357579</a>☺https://www.blogger.com/profile/01037846662891621356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-13135528291023280812012-05-04T11:28:44.749-06:002012-05-04T11:28:44.749-06:00We did the same and came to the same thoughts. You...We did the same and came to the same thoughts. You just have the gift to write them out. I especially agree with this:<br />"I can hardly see the resemblance between those who were robbed, raped, burned out of their homes, and murdered; and church leaders who have suffered no physical harm. What's wrong with criticism and a difference in personal views? The early saints were petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances. It was their constitutional right to do so. They were also making a record of their sufferings so as to "claim that promise which shall call him [God] forth from his hiding place; and also that the whole nation may be left without excuse before he can send forth the power of his mighty arm" D&C 123:6. "<br /><br />Well stated!yogalife24https://www.blogger.com/profile/04848504675887154007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-1965283820471009342012-05-03T22:32:19.106-06:002012-05-03T22:32:19.106-06:00Yes, we were wondering what he was talking about, ...Yes, we were wondering what he was talking about, so we looked it up for ourselves.John and Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04899746045646203432noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-11363624494505113772012-05-03T13:29:34.346-06:002012-05-03T13:29:34.346-06:00I wonder if you read about this from "the des...I wonder if you read about this from "the desk of Denver Snuffer"? We were amazed as well!yogalife24https://www.blogger.com/profile/04848504675887154007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-4574160251066760302012-05-03T01:06:31.114-06:002012-05-03T01:06:31.114-06:00AMEN!AMEN!AndEvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12475638083186094154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-36629192613725288802012-05-02T13:37:45.852-06:002012-05-02T13:37:45.852-06:00Wonderful post. Thanks so much for teaching and w...Wonderful post. Thanks so much for teaching and writing such an important message. <br /><br />Church leaders only reveal themselves when they punish members for not 'believing' as those leaders think they should. Those leaders prove they are 'prideful' and have not the Spirit, for they think they could never be wrong themselves, but that the other guy must be wrong. <br /><br />For God never punishes his children for asking questions and for not believing something that doesn't square with the scriptures. God never asks us to just trust his leaders and take their word for it, nor do true prophets of God ask such a thing. <br /><br />Even Moroni said to not take his word for it, when considering even the 'Book of Mormon', the most correct book on earth, he still commanded us to 'question' and find out for ourselves if it is true or not. <br /><br />In fact, God commands us to question and prove 'all' things, and judge everything 'anyone' in the Church says or does, including and especially the President of the Ch. to see if they are right or not. <br /><br />For Joseph Smith warned us that wherever you have a 'true' prophet, you will always find many 'false' prophets around him, saying nearly the same things but adding in subtle falsehoods. <br /><br />So can we detect who the false prophets were in the Church, who were around or came after Joseph Smith? He warned us there would be many. Who were they? Can we discern them and truth from error? <br /><br />We are commanded to judge true prophets from false prophets for ourselves. That is the test of this life. We are commanded 'not' to take anyone's word for it that they are a true prophet. But they must 'prove' to us that they are, by their righteous actions and teachings.<br /><br />Any one who discourages members of the Church from 'questioning' everything said and done by every leader in the Church, just reveals that they are trying to lead the Church astray and they themselves are false prophets.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14820789518324711161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1205773018799890263.post-59439137065334920072012-05-01T23:26:21.268-06:002012-05-01T23:26:21.268-06:00Excellent and yet heartbreaking post, this is very...Excellent and yet heartbreaking post, this is very personal to me. Thank you<br /><br />EvaAndEvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12475638083186094154noreply@blogger.com