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Wednesday, October 7, 2015

LDS 1st Presidency Response to My Letter . . . Are you a prophet? Are you a seer?

During the fall of 2013, I wrote and sent a letter to all of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve (except Dallin Oaks). I did not mail the letters at the same time, but I sent the same letter to all of them. 

I received a letter dated January 6, 2014. It was from Brook P. Hales, secretary to the First Presidency.

Hello Elder _______________,

I am writing in response to Dieter F. Uchtdorf's general conference talk. I did not listen to conference, but a family member sent me a copy of his talk. Do you really want people like me in your church?

Here is a little background about me: I am happily married and enjoy being the mother of 11 children. Both my husband and I served full time missions for the LDS church. I have attended church regularly throughout my life, and for most of my adult life have attended the temple on a weekly basis. As a family we have contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to fund church operations.

A little over two years ago things changed for me in regards to my relationship with the church. We were talking about prophets in relief society, and I asked a few questions. I wondered why we were required to follow the counsel of the first presidency and quorum of the twelve without receiving a confirming witness from God. I also wondered where is the precedence showing that the president of the church won't be allowed to lead us astray? If that is true, Caiaphas would never have been allowed to be the High Priest of the church.

These few questions caused enough of a stir that I was reported to the bishop, called in, chastised, threatened, punished, and silenced. I have been without a temple recommend since that day. I told the bishop that I sustain you in your calling, but the Lord has not yet confirmed to me that you are a prophet, seer, and revelator.

So, for the past two years I've stayed at home and enjoyed taking care of my little ones while I pray and study the scriptures. Even though my husband was also punished, he still takes some of our children to church. Just this last summer, I received word from some of the youth workers that the bishop directed all of the auxiliaries to shut down and silence the questions of the Willis children. I wonder what kind of adult is intimidated by the questions of a child.

So I ask, “Is President Uchtdorf talking to people like me or is his message directed toward some other type of member?”

In an attempt to find answers to my questions, I am asking the men who know the answers to my questions?

Are you a prophet of the Lord Jesus Christ as defined by Joseph Smith and the scriptures? Have you been sanctified, come into the presence of the Lord, and been ordained by God himself? Have you seen heaven and hell? Are you a member of the church of the firstborn? See quotes and scriptures below:

"Answer to the question, Was the Priesthood of Melchizedek taken away when Moses died? All Priesthood is Melchizedek, but there are different portions or degrees of it. That portion which brought Moses to speak with God face to face was taken away; but that which brought the ministry of angels remained. All the prophets had the Melchizedek Priesthood and were ordained by God himself." p.180 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

Salvation cannot come without revelation; it is in vain for anyone to minister without it. No man is a minister of Jesus Christ without being a Prophet. No man can be a minister of Jesus Christ except he has the testimony of Jesus; and this is the spirit of prophecy. Whenever salvation has been administered, it has been by testimony. Men of the present time testify of heaven and hell, and have never seen either; and I will say that no man knows these things without this.” p. 160 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

“. . . for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. Revelation 19:10

D&C 76:51-70 explains what it means to have a testimony of Jesus.

Are you a seer? Have the heavens been open to you? Have you seen the beginning from the end?

15 And the king said that a seer is greater than a prophet.

 16 And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God.

 17 But a seer can know of things which are past, and also of things which are to come, and by them shall all things be revealed, or, rather, shall secret things be made manifest, and hidden things shall come to light, and things which are not known shall be made known by them, and also things shall be made known by them which otherwise could not be known. Mosiah 8:15-17

“Wherefore, we again say, search the revelations of God; study the prophecies, and rejoice that God grants unto the world Seers and Prophets. They are they who saw the mysteries of godliness; they saw the flood before it came; they saw angels ascending and descending upon a ladder that reached from earth to heaven; they saw the stone cut out of the mountain, which filled the whole earth; they saw the Son of God come from the regions of bliss and dwell with men on earth; they saw the deliverer come out of Zion, and turn away ungodliness from Jacob; they saw the glory of the Lord when he showed the transfiguration of the earth on the mount; they saw every mountain laid low and every valley exalted when the Lord was taking vengeance upon the wicked; they saw truth spring out of the earth, and righteousness look down from heaven in the last days, before the Lord came the second time to gather his elect; they saw the end of wickedness on earth, and the Sabbath of creation crowned with peace; they saw the end of the glorious thousand years, when Satan was loosed for a little season; they saw the day of judgment when all men received according to their works, and they saw the heaven and the earth flee away to make room for the city of God, when the righteous receive an inheritance in eternity. And, fellow sojourners upon earth, it is your privilege to purify yourselves and come up to the same glory, and see for yourselves, and know for yourselves. Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.” p. 12 Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith

I look forward to receiving your answers to my two questions: Are you a prophet? Are you a seer? If your answer is yes, I will take your written testimony to the Lord and ask Him for a witness. If your answer is no, you need to take the following question out of the priesthood and temple recommend worthiness interviews because it would not be wise to lead people to believe something that isn't true, neither would it be just to require people to have a testimony of something the Lord will not confirm.

Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

Do you really want people like me in your church? Can I come as I am with all my questions and thoughts? If so, let me know.

May God Bless You,

Jennifer Willis


5 comments:

  1. Joseph Smith, who stood in the presence of God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, testified that a person must be able to testify of these things in order to claim to be a prophet or seer. None of the fifteen who are sustained as such by the LDS Church was willing to make such a claim. It would be dishonest for anyone to place words in their mouths that they are unwilling to speak or write. Is there any scriptural precedent to contradict Joseph's assertions? I can come up with none. In fact, we have the entire volume of the Book of Mormon that supports Joseph's assertions. The meaning is thus abundantly clear.

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  2. Jennifer, I love the letter you wrote to the leaders of the LDS church. It contains eternal truths that if ignored, or worse if lied about, will certainly bring damnation to the one guilty of disregard or dishonesty. I glory in truth and you have shed a bit more of it through this letter. -Thank you! The Secretary to the First Presidency (and by extension the members of that presidency) has given us an answer that will hopefully help many others come to the knowledge of truth as well. All church leaders should be willing to call a spade a spade. Their unwillingness to do so saddens me. Promulgation of a lie by one in such an authoritative position will not be looked lightly upon by the Lord, especially when done in the name of the Lord as is so often done. This is taking the Lord's name in vain. Sadly, they create their own demise. This scripture comes to mind:

    Matt 7:22-23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

    God have mercy on them and on me and all who are seeking for truth!

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  3. Rather than ask others if they are prophets, why not ask the Lord to become a prophet?

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    1. Well said . . .

      That's what Moses encouraged. Numbers 11:29 And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord would put his spirit upon them!

      This is what we have to look forward to:

      96 For I, the Almighty, have laid my hands upon the nations, to scourge them for their wickedness.

      97 And plagues shall go forth, and they shall not be taken from the earth until I have completed my work, which shall be cut short in righteousness—

      98 Until all shall know me, who remain, even from the least unto the greatest, and shall be filled with the knowledge of the Lord, and shall see eye to eye, and shall lift up their voice, and with the voice together sing this new song, saying . . . D&C 84

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  4. Well, now come on fellahs. We all "sorta" know that these guys are NOT Prophets, Seers and Revelators. Its kind of an unspoken reality we live with, but we kinda wink, wink and don't talk about this and life in the Church moves on. But here's a nice little experiment that you can perform in your Ward, ANY ward. Ask the simple question, "What did President Thomas S. Monson teach in the last General Conference?" I doubt ANYONE in your Ward has a clue. Yet, we are told that the "word of the Living Prophet is MORE important than that of the dead prophets" You would think if that were the case, every Church member would struggle to tell you Bible and Book of Mormon stories, but would be JOHNNY on the spot with the most recent messages from the Lord as delivered through "His Prophets, Seers and Revelators". But such is not the case. The way we talk about our faith and what we know of it, you'd think we were Baptists who could quote Bible scriptures, but couldn't remember that last sermon given by our Pastor. This is part of the cognitive dissonance that most Mormons suffer, believing two conflicting things at the same time and may the twain NEVER meet.

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Thank you for posting