I heard the Lord saying, “Where did you get
this strange doctrine that I won’t allow a prophet to lead you astray? When did
I declare such a thing? Where is it recorded? Wilford Woodruff said something
of the matter, but that was his own opinion. When did I take away the agency
of the president of my church? This is a test for him just as much as it is a
test for everyone else. Have I taken any man’s agency away? Can’t you see
examples throughout the scriptures where leaders of my church led people
astray? David
the prophet led people astray;
Eli
the prophet led people astray; Caiaphas the
prophet led people astray; Noah
the prophet led people astray. Why would you be given a different test than the
rest of my children? What makes your dispensation so different than the
previous dispensations? Am I not the same yesterday, today, and forever?”
I heard the Lord calling Caiaphas a prophet
instead of a high priest, and he also called Noah a prophet instead of a King.
I wondered why. A point was being made. In 1955, we started calling the
President of the Church the prophet. Up until that time they were just called
the President of the Church. Joseph Smith was the only one referred to as the
Prophet. We gave these presidents the title of prophet without expecting them
to have the prophetic experience JSH 1:13-20, 1
Nephi 11-14, Mosiah
8:14-17. (That’s not fair or kind to do to any leader.) If we can call
the President of the Church a prophet, then under those same rules any leader,
who occupies the top position of a church that was originally set up by God,
can also be called a prophet, even Caiaphas and Noah.
The truth of the matter is that God wants
all of us to be prophets. “And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said,
Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp. And Joshua
the son of Nun, the servant of Moses, one of his
young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. And
Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the Lord’s people were prophets, and that the Lord
would put his spirit upon them!” Numbers
11:27-29 Becoming a prophet/prophetess does not give us any right to usurp the
authority or position of the President of the Church. He has the leadership responsibility for the church.
Where do we find the doctrine that says the
Lord won’t allow the President of the Church to lead people astray? I can’t
find it anywhere, and I’ve looked. The closest I’ve come to finding something
is Wilford Woodruff’s statement, “I say to Israel, the Lord will never
permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you
astray.” [Emphasis added] (“I say to Israel” is omitted in Official
Declaration 1, but you can read the original text in Deseret
Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2). In his statement, Wilford
Woodruff does not give credit to the Lord for this promise. If anyone can tell
me where the Lord establishes this guarantee, I would really like to know. A
lot hangs on this belief.
There are several that oppose the position,
“The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this
Church to lead you astray.”
Apostle Charles W.
Penrose declared: "President Wilford Woodruff is a man of wisdom and
experience, and we respect and venerate him, but we do not believe his personal
views or utterances are revelations from God; and when 'Thus saith the Lord',
comes from him, the saints investigate it: they do not shut their eyes and take
it down like a pill." Millennial Star Vol. 54 #12 p. 191
President George
Q. Cannon expressed it thus: "Do not, brethren, put your trust in man
though he be a Bishop, an Apostle, or a President. If you do, they will fail
you at some time or place; they will do wrong or seem to, and your support be
gone; but if we lean on God, He never will fail us. When men and women depend on God alone, and trust in Him alone,
their faith will not be shaken if the highest in the Church should step aside. They could still see that He is just and true,
that truth is lovely in His sight, and the pure in heart are dear to Him.
“Perhaps it is His
own design that faults and weaknesses should appear in high places in order
that His Saints may learn to trust in Him and not in any man or men. Therefore, my brethren and sisters, seek
after the Holy Spirit and the unfailing testimony of God and His work upon the
earth." Millennial Star Vol. 53 #43 p. 674
"President Joseph Smith read the 14th chapter of
Ezekiel--said the Lord had declared by the Prophet, that the people should each
one stand for himself, and depend on no man or men in that state of corruption
of the Jewish church--that righteous persons could only deliver their own
souls--applied it to the present state of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints--said if the people departed from the Lord, they must fall--that
they were depending on the Prophet, hence were darkened in their minds, in
consequence of neglecting the duties devolving upon themselves, envious towards
the innocent, while they afflict the virtuous with their shafts of envy." TPJS pp. 237-38
President Joseph
F. Smith said, "We talk of obedience, but do we require any man or woman
to ignorantly obey the counsels that are given? Do the First Presidency require
it? No, never. What do they desire? That we may comprehend all true principles
for ourselves;" Journal of Discources (JD) 16:248
Brigham Young
said: "What a pity it would be, if we were led by one man to utter
destruction! Are you afraid of this? I am more afraid that this people have so
much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of
God whether they are led by Him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind
self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders
with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in
their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders,
did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in
the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of
God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord
dictates, or not. This has been my exhortation continually." JD 9:15
"How
easy it would be for your leaders to lead you to destruction, unless you
actually know the mind and will of the spirit yourselves. That is your
privilege." JD 4:368
"And
none are required to tamely and blindly submit to a man because he has a
portion of the Priesthood. We have heard men who hold the Priesthood remark,
that they would do anything they were told to do by those who presided over
them, if they knew it was wrong; but such obedience as this is worse than folly
to us; it is slavery in the extreme; and the man who would thus willingly
degrade himself should not claim a rank among intelligent beings, until he
turns from his folly. A man of God who seeks for the redemption of his fellows
would despise the idea of seeing another become his slave, who had an equal
right with himself to the favour of God; he would rather see him stand by his
side, a sworn enemy to wrong, so long as there was place found for it among
men. Others, in the extreme exercise of their almighty authority have taught
that such obedience was necessary, and that no matter what the Saints were told
to do by their Presidents, they should do it without asking any questions. When
Elders of Israel will so far indulge in these extreme notions of obedience as
to teach them to the people, it is generally because they have it in their
minds to do wrong themselves." Millennial Star, vol.14 #38, pp.593-95
"I do
not wish any Latter-day Saint in this world, nor in heaven, to be satisfied
with anything I do, unless the Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ, the spirit of
revelation, makes them satisfied. I
wish them to know for themselves and understand for themselves, for this would
strengthen the faith that is within them. Suppose that the people were
heedless, that they manifested no concern with regard to the things of the
kingdom of God, but threw the whole burden upon the leaders of the people,
saying, 'If the brethren who take charge of matters are satisfied, we are,'
this is not pleasing in the sight of the Lord." JD 3:45
"There are
those among this people who are influenced, controlled, and biased in their
thoughts, actions, and feelings by some other individual or family, on whom
they place their dependence for spiritual and temporal instruction, and for
salvation in the end. These persons do
not depend upon themselves for salvation, but upon another of their poor, weak,
fellow mortals. “I do not depend upon
any inherent goodness of my own,” say they, “ introduce me into the kingdom of
glory, but I depend upon you, brother Joseph, upon you, brother Brigham, upon
you, brother Heber, or upon you, brother James; I believe your judgment is
superior to mine, and consequently I let you judge for me; your spirit is
better than mine, therefore you can do good for me; I will submit myself wholly
to you, and place in you all my confidence for life and salvation; where you go
I will go, and where you tarry there I will stay; expecting that you will
introduce me through the gates into the heavenly Jerusalem
“.
. . Now those men, or those
women, who know no more about the power of God, and the influences of the Holy
Spirit, than to be led entirely by another person, suspending their own
understanding, and pinning their faith upon another's sleeve, will never be
capable of entering into the celestial glory, to be crowned as they anticipate;
they will never be capable of becoming Gods. They cannot rule themselves, to
say nothing of ruling others, but they must be dictated to in every trifle,
like a child. They cannot control themselves in the least, but James, Peter, or
somebody else must control them. They never can become Gods, nor be crowned as
rulers with glory, immortality, and eternal lives. They never can hold sceptres
of glory, majesty, and power in the celestial kingdom. Who will? Those who are
valiant and inspired with the true independence of heaven, who will go forth
boldly in the service of their God, leaving others to do as they please,
determined to do right, though all mankind besides should take the opposite
course. Will this apply to any of you? Your own hearts can answer." JD1:312
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Friday, April 13, 2012
The Lord Will Never Permit the Prophet to Lead You Astray?
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